In The Leaner, Stronger Runner Framework – Part 2: How Runners Should Actually Eat, we’re talking about the piece that confuses more runners than anything else: food. Most runners think eating …
315. The Leaner, Stronger Runner Framework Part 2: How Runners Should Actually Eat
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My name is Patrick McGilvray, and I’m an experienced marathoner, ultra runner sports nutritionist, master life coach, and weight loss coach. For runners, I’ve dedicated my life to helping runners just like you, properly fuel your body and your mind so you can get leaner, get stronger, run faster, and run longer than you ever thought. Possible. This is running Lean.
Hey there and welcome to episode 315 of Running Lean. My name is Patrick McGilvray, the weight loss coach for runners, and today the leaner, stronger runner framework. Part two, how runners should actually eat. So in this episode, uh, we are going to be talking about the piece that confuses more runners than anything else, and that is food.
So most runners think that eating better means eating less, cutting out all the carbs completely. Or just being more disciplined. And for a while that might seem like it’s working, but then the hunger ramps up, recovery slows down, energy crashes and running starts to feel way harder than it should. So in this episode, I’m breaking down how runners should actually eat if they wanna burn fat, recover faster, and stop feeling like food is this constant mental tug of war.
And this isn’t about meal plans or calorie counting or eating perfectly, it’s about fueling in a way. That supports your training instead of constantly fighting against it. So if you’ve ever felt confused, frustrated, or stuck when it comes to food and running this episode is going to bring a lot of clarity.
All right. Like I said, this is part two of the Leaner Stronger Runner framework. This is part two of a three part series. Last week I talked about why running more isn’t the answer. And before I get into today’s topic, I wanna set the stage a little bit because if you’re listening to this episode, there’s a pretty good chance that you’re already doing a lot of things right?
A lot of the people that listen to this podcast, they are runners who are doing. Most things, right? Um, you know, you’re running consistently, you’re training, you’re, you’re lifting weights. You care about your health. You’re trying to make good choices. You’re not just like sitting on the couch, you know, hoping that things will magically improve for you.
Also, something still feels a little bit off. So last week in part one of the series, I talked about why running more is in the answer why piling on miles intensity and effort often makes things worse instead of better when runners are trying to lose weight and improve performance. Today we’re talking about the next piece in the framework.
Um, and then for a lot of runners, this is gonna be the most emotionally intense or emotionally loaded part, and that’s about how runners eat. And I wanna be clear right up front, this is not about. Perfection. You know, it’s not about starving yourself. It’s not about meal plans or calorie counting or tracking your macros.
It’s not about being good or bad or eating clean. It’s about understanding how food is supposed to work with your training, not against it. And here’s something that I’ve noticed after coaching hundreds and hundreds of runners over the years, runners are very disciplined, okay? They are very disciplined about running.
They are very disciplined about sticking to a training plan. They’re very disciplined about exercise in general until food enters the conversation. Then suddenly everything feels. Confusing. Everyone has a different opinion and nothing seems to really work consistently. You know, one week you feel amazing and the next week you’re exhausted.
One week your hunger feels quite manageable, and then the following week you’re thinking about food all the time. And a lot of people I talk to, they internalize this and they think, gosh, I gotta be doing something wrong. This is not the way it’s supposed to be. But the truth is, most runners were just never taught how to eat as endurance athletes.
I can’t tell you how many people I talk to who have a nutrition coach or a running coach, and the nutrition coach really doesn’t know how people should fuel for, uh, endurance athletes. And, and the, and the running coaches don’t understand how people. Should fuel at all. Really, all they know is just, just for running, right?
There’s nothing that kind of bridges that gap, okay? People are, are, are taught that, you know, you’re, you’re either a fitness enthusiast or you’re a dieter, or you’re just somebody who’s trying to lose weight as fast as possible, right? And all that, all those rules and all that just does not translate well to fueling properly.
Maybe losing some weight, improving your body composition as an endurance athlete. Okay. This is why I do what I do, because there’s this huge gap there. So there’s this diet mentality that a lot of runners bring into their training, right? Because that’s all they know. Most runners start with this mentality, whether they realize it or not, but they’re thinking in terms of good foods and bad foods about earning your food.
Like you, you just ran a lot, so you’ve earned. X, Y, or Z, um, burning off calories, you know, making up for overeating by probably doing something, which is the opposite of undereating. Or being, uh, on track or off track or being good or being bad. And when you combine that mindset with endurance training, you, you aren’t actually solving anything.
You’re just creating more friction, okay? Because running doesn’t respond well. To punishment based eating. Okay? Your body doesn’t care how disciplined you are. It responds to signals. Okay? So I want to be very clear here. Here’s a, uh, a very, very, uh, common, uh, situation or scenario that I see all the time.
Okay? And maybe this is you. So you decide you wanna lose some weight, you’re a runner, you decide you wanna lose some weight, so you quote unquote, like, clean up your eating right. Maybe you cut portions. You, you start, uh, eating a lot less. You, you reduce your carbs back to almost none. You try to be good.
You’re skipping all the snacking that you used to do, and at first this might seem like it’s working okay, but after a few weeks, you’re noticing some negative side effects. Here, running starts to feel harder. Your energy drops, you’re hungrier all the time than you should be. Uh, you’re not recovering property properly from all the, uh, training that you’re doing.
Alright, then you have a, a long run. Or a stressful week, and suddenly your ravenous cravings hit late at night. You start overeating foods that you’ve been, you know, pretty good about avoiding, but now that’s all you can think about, right? And then this mental spiral starts to kick in of, oh, I blew it. You know, I need to be more disciplined.
I need to get stricter. And so you tighten the screws again. But listen, this is not a willpower issue. This is a fueling mismatch, and I want you to really hear this, okay. Eating for runners is not about restriction. It’s about supporting adaptation. Your body is constantly adapting to stress. Running is stress.
Strength training is stress. Life stress adds to this, okay? Food is not something you quote unquote. Control food is one of the tools that your body uses to recover and adapt. When your eating supports adaptation, your body feels safe. Like you’re no longer in that fight or flight mode, you’re no longer like super stressed out.
Your body feels calm and safe and at peace when it doesn’t though, your body goes into this defense mode, right? Goes into the fight or flight mode, and most runners believe. Incorrectly that, you know, if I wanna lose weight, I just have to eat a lot less. And that idea works on paper. Okay? It looks good when you start crunching the numbers.
If you’re like, Hey, you know, if I’m used to eating 2,500 calories a day, if I eat 1500 calories a day, I should lose weight. Okay. And guess what? It, it will work like that will work for you. Um, but it really is not going to support you as a runner, okay? Because if you’re training consistently, especially if you’re training hard, let’s say you’re training for a marathon, you know you’re running 30 to 50 miles a week, somewhere in that range, your body needs.
Energy. Your body needs nutrients. Your body needs recovery resources. And when you eat too little or you’re not eating consistently, your body doesn’t think, oh great, it’s time to lose weight. It thinks, Hey, we are under attack, we’re under threat here. Something is not right. You know, we’ve got all those energy that we’re expending and we don’t have enough fuel coming in.
So your body goes into. Fight or flight mode, it goes into high stress mode, uh, chronic stress mode. Your, your hunger increases, your cravings go through the roof. Your body starts holding on to body fat. So you, you think you’re gonna lose weight, but it actually has the opposite of effect. Your body will start holding onto more, more body fat.
You know, because it doesn’t want you to, you know, waste away into nothing. Your recovery slows down. Um, running just feels harder than it should. Okay? This is why runners are saying like, you know, I don’t eat that much, but nothing is changing. I can’t lose the weight. Right? Your body isn’t broken. Your body is actually doing what it’s supposed to.
It’s protecting you. Okay, so just know we have to respect the physiology here. Okay. Now, a lot of runners feel kind of out of control around food. This is actually a, a big one. All right? A lot of runners feel like they’re, they’re fine all day and then suddenly f. Food feels uncontrollable, let’s say at night.
Like, why can’t I just stop eating? Why do I crave sugar so much? Why do I keep losing control? And it’s not a character flaw. It’s not like you’re a bad person or anything like that. This is what happens when you under fuel earlier in the day, you undereat. After training, you rely on willpower. Instead of having structure in place, your body is simply asking for what it didn’t get earlier.
Um, delayed hunger. It’s still hunger, okay? And listen, hunger is not the enemy, right? Hunger is just information. A lot of people treat being hungry as an emergency situation that they have to fix right away, and it really isn’t. But listen, chronic hunger. If you’re a runner and you’re experiencing this chronic hunger, it probably means that you’re under fueling relative to your training.
It probably means that your recovery. Is not working properly, is incomplete. Your blood sugar’s probably unstable. Your stress hormones are most likely elevated. So it can be. All of these things are combination of a few of these things and ignoring hunger isn’t gonna make it go away. It just kind of makes it.
Show up even more. It makes it louder. Okay? So it’s not a problem for the most part, but we have to understand that it is information and you gotta do the right thing with that information. And this is confusing for a lot of runners and I get that. You know, they’re thinking, I didn’t even run today. How come I’m so hungry?
’cause hunger doesn’t know that like it is supposed to reset every 24 hours. You’re not on some. 24 hour clock, where at midnight every night, your hunger goes back to zero. Your body’s responding to yesterday’s training, to cumulative stress, to incomplete recovery. If you under fuel on training days, hunger’s probably gonna show up later.
It might be tonight, it might be tomorrow. And there’s nothing wrong with you here. There’s not a lack of discipline. It’s just, you know, delayed demand for fuel. Alright, so the goal here is really not about being perfect or anything like that. It’s about stability. Okay? Here’s what runners should be aiming for when it comes to nutrition.
These are the things we’re looking for. We’re looking for stable energy, like steady energy throughout the day, stable appetite. We don’t want your appetite to be going through the roof and then down to nothing and, and. Keep repeating that cycle. We want predictable recovery, so we want your recovery to feel like it’s manageable and something that you know, that when you fuel fuel this way, you’re gonna be able to, uh, recover faster and you’re going to, you’re gonna be able to, you know, train well tomorrow.
Okay? You want consistent training quality. That means that your runs are consistent or improving. You know, we don’t wanna see your training quality diminishing, and we want there to be less noise around food. We don’t want you to be thinking about this all the time. You know, and that’s one of the things that a lot of people don’t understand, is that when you’re constantly obsessed with food, there’s a, there’s something wrong there, there’s some dysfunction happening there.
Okay. But here’s a few things that are not on that list. Uh, eating perfectly all the time or being super skinny all the time, or never eating pizza or ice cream or pasta ever again. That’s not what this is about. Okay? It’s not about being perfect, it’s about being consistent and consistent. Consistency always beats perfection.
So what does it look like to actually eat like a runner? So eating like a runner means you should be eating enough, not undereating, not overeating, but just eating enough to fuel your particular, uh, training load. Eating regularly. That means that we’re not, you know, going two days without food because we’re trying some crazy intermittent fasting, um, regimen, some crazy fasting regimen.
I’m a fan of intermittent fasting, honestly, and I eat typically about twice a day. Uh, but that works really well for me. You know, I am very. Efficient at utilizing that schedule for my training load. Um, most people do really well on two or three meals a day. That does not mean you should be eating 12 times a day, though.
It doesn’t mean you should be eating once a day either. I think eating two or three meals a day is perfect, but we want to keep our eating, uh, schedule regular. Okay. Um, it eating like a runner means eating to recover. Right. So getting enough protein, making sure that, uh, the food that you’re taking in the electrolytes and things like that is actually helping you to recover from the training load.
Um, and then of course eating to support your training, making sure you’re getting the right combination of foods. You want healthy fats, you want quality protein, and you want some, some good quality carbs in there too to support your trading And listen. This kind of looks boring sometimes. You know, you’re eating regular meals, you’re eating protein at every meal.
You’re eating some carbs that match your training demand. Um, you’re eating some fat for satiety and for those good hormones. Uh, you’re not skipping meals to make up for overeating. Um, you’re kind of being boring. But guess what? Boring works. Boring is very sustainable. Okay. Meals and food doesn’t have to be like an entertainment extravaganza every time you sit down to eat.
And I think that’s one message that we’re given. You know, if you just scroll through Instagram and, and start looking at all the food, uh, videos and stuff that people post, it’s like, oh my God, why does everything have to be so over the top? Can’t things just be pretty boring? Sometimes and the answer is yes, they can be.
Alright, I wanna have a little conversation about carbs, uh, without drama here. Okay? Carbs are not bad, okay? But they’re also not magic. Carbs are fuel. The problem is not carbs. Okay? The problem is the context. Alright? So hard training days. Carbs are going to matter more. Okay? Carbs are going to have a more of an impact on your training and your recovery.
On easy days or off days, carbs are going to matter less. You do not need as many carbs on easy days or on days where you’re not. You just don’t need as much, um, extreme approaches on either end of that where you’re eating all the carbs all the time, or zero carbs because you’ve been told that you know, you, you gotta like just cut out all the carbs.
Neither of these is really ideal for endurance athletes. Okay? So we, we wanna stay away from the extreme approaches. Um, extreme approaches create extreme reactions in your body. Okay? We don’t want that. We want things to be. Stable. Remember, blood sugar, stable appetite, stable, um, eating patterns regular.
Okay. I’m gonna give you a simple nutrition foundation that doesn’t require tracking, doesn’t require counting macros, and it doesn’t require stress. This is very simple, but I want you to just pay attention and try to commit to these three. Non-negotiables. Okay? Number one is to eat real food, right? Eat protein, eat fruits, eat vegetables.
When you’re going to eat some carbs. Make sure they are whole food sources of carbs. What do I mean by that? Stuff like sweet potatoes or beets or some oats or rice or beans. So those are all whole foods, sources of carbohydrates. Um, and then healthy fats, so protein, veggies, fruit, whole food, carbs. Healthy fats just stick to real food.
It should still look like food. I’m not talking about overly processed bars and powders and um, you know, things like that, or meal replacement shakes or whatever. Just eat whole food, right? That right there is going to solve. A lot of your problems. Okay? Number two, make sure you’re getting protein at every meal.
This one thing alone is going to help you recover better. It’s gonna improve your muscle retention. Remember, running is catabolic, it breaks down muscle tissue. We wanna replace that muscle tissue. We gotta be building muscle back up. That’s why I stress strength training so much. That’s why I stress eating protein, it’s very, very important.
Okay. Getting enough protein means that you’re probably going to be 80% of the way there, right? It’s gonna solve a lot of your protein, of your, uh, nutrition issues. Just getting enough protein. It helps you to stay satiated. It’s nutrient dense, meaning you’re getting a ton of nutrition from eating, you know, protein.
And this can be, uh, uh, animal-based proteins or plant-based proteins. Just make sure if it’s plant-based proteins that you’re getting complete proteins. Um, so eat real food protein at every meal. That’s a non-negotiable. The third non-negotiable is sit down and eat meals. Don’t just be snacking all the time.
When you eat regular meals, and again, I said two, three times a day, perfect. We’re, we’re not grazing all day long. We’re not carrying around, you know, bags of chips and nuts and things like that to eat in the car all the time. Um, this is going to help you to, number one, eat the right amount of food for you.
We should eat our meals and, and feel satiated when, when we eat our meals, we’re eating a couple times a day. We’re not constantly. Ramping up our blood sugar, ramping up our hunger signals. The more you eat, the more hungry you are, the more calories you’re taking in. Um, you know, the, the more your appetite goes up, the more your cravings for carbs goes up.
Like all these things happen when you’re eating constantly. So just. Try to be a little more chill with that. And listen, most snacking is, is not a need for fuel. It’s not a need for nutrition. It’s an emotional eating situation. You’re bored, so you go in the pantry, you’re tired, you’re stressed out. You just want something to feel good and listen.
When you do that, you’re not usually making choices like, oh, I’m gonna eat some of this leftover broccoli that’s in the fridge, like you’re eating chips or nuts, or whatever. So eat meals, not snacks. This is gonna really help to regulate your appetite, um, and, and still make sure that you’re getting, uh, food, uh, that supports your running and your training.
So eat real food, protein in every meal. Eat meals, not snacks. What this is gonna do for you, it’s gonna help reduce cravings. Improve your recovery, stabilize your energy, and make fat loss possible. Again, if you’ve been kind of stuck and you, you just can’t get the scale moving and you know you’ve got 15, 20 pounds to lose, whatever, then we gotta get fat loss happening.
We gotta turn on fat burning and this. Little three non-negotiable formula I just put out there. That’s what’s gonna do it for you, right? That’s definitely gonna at least get things moving in the right direction for you. And again, I mentioned this at the beginning of talking about these three non-negotiables, is that this is simple.
It doesn’t require writing things down and using an app to track all your macros and inputting all your food. It doesn’t have to be stressful. It can be that simple. Okay? And simple beats perfect every single time. Now, here’s the truth that most runners miss. Training alone is not going to fix everything for you.
Nutrition alone isn’t going to fix everything for you, and your mindset alone isn’t going to fix everything for you. You have to have a whole. System, essentially, right? When training, nutrition and recovery align, your body feels safer, your adaptation improves, fat loss becomes easier, consistency becomes much easier and more natural.
And this is what I’m calling the leaner, stronger runner framework. All right? Now, even when runners train smarter, eat better, and fuel properly. There’s still one thing that can kind of derail everything, and that’s consistency or lack of consistency. So next week in part number three of this series, we’re gonna talk about why motivation fails for runners and what actually creates long-term consistency.
Because once that piece clicks into place, everything else falls into place perfectly. Okay, so if you’ve been listening to this episode and you’re thinking, Patrick, this is awesome. This makes sense, but I’m not sure how to actually apply all this stuff. I want you to hear this very clearly. Most runners I work with, they’re pretty consistent.
They train hard, they care about their health. They generally wanna feel better in their bodies, and they want to enjoy running again. They want running to feel easier again. But despite all the effort. They still feel stuck. Their energy is inconsistent. Recovery takes longer than it should. Running fields feels harder than it used to, and no matter how much they try to clean things up, their body just doesn’t respond the way that it used to or the way that it should.
It’s not because you’re doing something wrong, it’s because you’re just never been given like a complete system, and that’s why I created the Leaner Stronger Runner project. Inside this program, I help runners stop guessing and start training with confidence. You’re gonna learn how to train in a way that actually supports progress instead of wearing you down.
All right? You’re gonna learn how to eat in a way that stabilizes energy. Your appetite and your recovery without tracking, obsessing or starting over every single Monday, you’re gonna build the mindset and the structure that makes consistency feel natural, not forced. This is the full framework training, nutrition, mindset, all working together the way they’re supposed to.
If you’re ready to stop spinning your wheels and start feeling stronger. Wider and more confident as a runner. Head over to running lean coaching.com/ready to learn more. Cool. Alright, that’s all I got for you today. Love you all. Keep on running lean and I will talk to you soon.






